28.10.2007

VanceS contributed 168 messages, 6 emotes during 158 minutes. 2007.10.28 04:55:07 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. VanceS: hi folks SemihE: hı vance ElifY: hi VanceS: how is everyone? EmilyWB: Good Morning all! SevimO left the room (signed off). SemihE: thx SemihE: you? VanceS: are you here for Webheads? SemihE: yes EmilyWB: Yes SemihE: when wıll we start? FayeH joined the room. SusanR joined the room. SusanR waves VanceS punches clock DING! VanceS: starting now SemihE: l am corious about webheads? SemihE: ok FayeH: I VanceS: we are webheads VanceS: http://webheads.info FayeH: I'm curious too. SemihE: what webheads? ElifY left the room (signed off). SemihE: wıll we look info fırst? FayeH: What exactly do you talk about in Webheads in Action? I saw that this group relates to Language Arts, and that is my field. FayeH left the room (signed off). FayeH joined the room. SemihE: vance wıll we clıck the info page VanceS: you can explore that link VanceS: my wife is on the way in fact VanceS: I notice from profile info that Semih is a preschool teacher VanceS: my wife is a preschool teacher too SemihE: yes VanceS: she might want to chat with you VanceS: so I told her to come over SemihE: why not? MelekS: hi FayeH: Vance, what do you teach? SusanR: Webheads is a world-wide, cross-cultural, and vibrant online-community of educators with an open enrollment for anyone who wants to join. VanceS: I teach computing MelekS: ı want to learn more about webheads SemihE: so can l use webhead in school life? EmilyWB: I've just been hired as an ESOL resource teacher for grades 5/6 and was hoping to get some good info here VanceS: are you on our mailing list? FayeH: Where is everyone from? I work as a Language Arts teacher in New Orleans. BarbaraS1 joined the room. BarbaraS1: hi all VanceS: hp BarbaraS1: hi semih MelekS: what will we do to enroll in webheads session SemihE: l also want to get somethıng whıch l can use the teacher envirement SusanR: I work as an Occasional Teacher or Substitute Teacher in Ottawa, Ontario Canada SemihE: hı melek EmilyWB: I'm from Manassas, Virginia BarbaraS1: i teach kg1 BarbaraS1: pre kindergarten VanceS: did any of you participate in the K-12 Online conference that just ended? DennisOl joined the room. MelekS: Iam from Turkey VanceS: hey Dennis BarbaraS1: hi dennis :) SemihE: vance when was webhead created DennisOl: Hey, Vance and Bobbi. MelekS: hi barbara FayeH: No, I did not know about that online conference. I am new to Tapped In. BarbaraS1: hi DennisOl: Hi, Susan and Emily. SusanR: for you Barbara ...http://kinderworks.blogspot.com/ MelekS: What will we learn in webheads EmilyWB: Hi all. BarbaraS1: oh thanks SusanR: I moderate the K to 3+ Great resources discussions here SvetlanaM joined the room. BarbaraS1: i love that idea DennisOl: Hi, Emily and Melek and Fay and Jeff and Semih. DennisOl: Privet, Sveta! MelekS: hi dennis DennisOl: Merhaba! SemihE: hi everybody DennisOl: Merhaba! SusanR: Check the calendar for the twice monthly chats, Barbara BarbaraS1: i will thanks SvetlanaM: Hi everyone! DennisOl: Vance: Did you see Semih's question? SusanR: and do join the K to 3 Resource Room VanceS: i don't see it here, can you repeat it? BarbaraS1: yes i will SemihE: when webhead was created DennisOl: Yes. The question is "When was Webheads created?" FayeH: I there any type of resource room for 5-8 English/reading or 9-12 English? SusanR: I have a question..anyone using Leopard with SecondLife here MelekS: ı also want to learn about it FayeH: No, I'm not, but will you explain it? BarbaraS1: thanks, Susan, exactly the kind of thing I'm looking for SemihE: when ıt was crated VanceS: we started Webheads in 1997 or 1998 DennisOl: Susan: I think most of the people here probably use PCs. VanceS: we have recorded chats from 1998 VanceS: september MelekS: who are the webheads DennisOl: There are Mac users in the Webheads, of course (I'm one). SusanR: I gather that, Dennis VanceS: webheads started as a student group for ESL VanceS: it was called Writing for Webheads ElifY joined the room. DennisOl: Graham Stanley is quite active in SL and in the Webheads. DennisOl: Hi, Elif. MelekS: what is its goal SusanR: Have you updated to Leopard, Dennis? ElifY: hi DennisOl: Susan: Not yet. VanceS: then teachers became interested in our techniques and the teachers formed Webheads in Action SemihE: how can we use webhead DennisOl: Elif: I would say the goal is for Webheads community members to share techniques and tools for computer-mediated communication. ElifY: hi all, i am late EmilyWB: How can this be used. Is it used with the kids or as a resource for teachers? DennisOl: Vance: How would you add to or modify my goal statement? VanceS: thanks Dennis, that was a good one DennisOl: Vance: Thanks. VanceS: basically we are a network EmilyWB: Are there ideas for projects such as databases or webquests for ESOL students? VanceS: we share knowledge and expertise SvetlanaM: Semih - I am relatively new to Webheads - and I find Webheads great for picking up new ideas and hopefully, sharing my own ideas. You find out what everyone else is doing. DennisOl: Emily: The Webheads are a network of folks from various backgrounds. VanceS: and help each other to use technology effectively SusanR: indeed, Vance VanceS: the best way to participate is through the mailing list DennisOl: Many Webheads are in education and work with different groups--children, young adults, adults. MelekS: vance time is not always suitable BarbaraS1: you can join the yahoo group DennisOl: Emily: Several Webheads members have extensive lists of links. BarbaraS1: and post questions to the group SemihE: you are rıght svetlana FayeH: Vance, by mailing list you mean the online website? LeanneMM joined the room. BarbaraS1: not as interactive of course, but the people have a wealth of information JeffC: For those new here... click Actions-- Detach... that way you may have the chat frame full screen. BarbaraS1: if you ever have a question, someone from the list usually can answer LeanneMM: Hello all DennisOl: Yes, postings in the Yahoo groups for Webheads always contain announcements for new online tools and/or questions about them. VanceS: Hi Leanne DennisOl: Leanne! Where are you today? VanceS: by mailing list ... let me find the URL LeanneMM hugs Vance and Dennis SemihE: Vance is webhead has specific goal LeanneMM: Still in Rocklin CA, Dennis SvetlanaM: Semih - try to come to as many meetings as possible (I'm bad at this!) and join the yahoo. group. There's loads of interesting ideas! Many more ideas than I can take on board :-) but you share your ideas as well. DennisOl hugs Leanne right back DennisOl: Whereabouts is Rocklin, Leanne? SemihE: ok LeanneMM: near Sacramento VanceS returns with URL VanceS: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evonline2002_webheads DennisOl: Leanne: I see. SemihE: how can we be member of webhead VanceS: our goal is to help each other learn about technology and stay current DennisOl: I'll be back shortly . . . . EmilyWB: I must be rude and run. 12 year old had sleep over and just called for me to pick her up! Thanks for the insights. I will put webheads in my favorites! VanceS: simple join the list by clicking on the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evonline2002_webheads LeanneMM: we're likely going to Oakland early this week, then, finally, to Mesa. Calvin's parents are leaving Canada tomorrow and should be to Mesa by Thursday MelekS: thanks for your helping SemihE: ok thanks EmilyWB left the room (signed off). SvetlanaM: Semih - when this meetings finishes, you are sent a copy of the discussion to your email address and it's very useful to read and digest after the event. SemihE: yes l wıll check ıt after SusanR: for those interested in Leopard http://dailyapps.net/2007/10/hack-attack-install-leopard-on-your-pc-in-3-easy-steps/ MelekS: Oh we will take a copy FayeH: Thanks for the advice about making the chat screen full size (Actions/Detach). That really helps. I plan to join the webheads list. MelekS: that is a good idea DennisOl: Thanks, Susan. I'm considering updating to Leopard. EmilyWB joined the room. EmilyWB left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Leanne: Thanks for the update! SemihE: as you say webhead ıs related to technology how can we share thıs wıth others exept from the wia the inthernet LeanneMM: Were you here last week, Dennis? DennisOl: I think so. LeanneMM smiles at Dennis BillC joined the room. DennisOl: But maybe I wasn't here the entire time. BillC left the room (signed off). LeanneMM: I tried, but couldn't get the chat window to work DennisOl: Bobbi, was I here last week? SvetlanaM: Dennis - you Were here last week - I spoke to you! (at least I think I did ...) DennisOl: Thanks, Sveta. DennisOl: I remember it! SvetlanaM: Reality check, huh? billc joined the room. DennisOl: Definitely! DennisOl: WB, Bill. billc: hey everyone LeanneMM: Hey Bill DennisOl: Leanne, the computer set-up in the bus is incredible (as is all of the bus). MelekS: VANCES -The time is not always suitable billc: sorry, first time around the connection got dropped SusanR left the room. SusanR joined the room. VanceS: Hi Melek, we have hundreds of members from around the world VanceS: so it's hard to find a good time DennisOl: WB, Susan! VanceS: I am in the UAE VanceS: it is near Turkey BarbaraS1: it's hard to coordinate day and time SvetlanaM: And I'm in London, UK - and we've just put our clocks back an hour .... BarbaraS1: with so many people around the world LeanneMM: For example, Melek, I am in the western US so it's 5 am for me DennisOl: Have any of you been following Leanne's blog about her trek from Vancouver Island to Mexico? FayeH: Vance, do you teach in an American school? In New Orleans, we don't change back until next week. VanceS: but if you want a suitable time you can create events at times suitable for you BarbaraS1: I'll look it up VanceS: and webheads will likely come BarbaraS1: it sounds great...Vance, let's do it too BarbaraS1: the hike MelekS: That is very disappointed not to have a suitable time LeanneMM: I thought it was this week, Faye! LeanneMM: But I'm glad it's not ;-) SvetlanaM: Viritual hike? SvetlanaM: Virtual* BarbaraS1: i thought real SemihE: ıs there any way for gatherıng thıs ınformatıon after the conferance SemihE: whıch we cant manage to attend it BarbaraS1: yes tappedin sends you a transcript SvetlanaM: Semih - you will be sent an email with a copy of the text chat of this meeting BarbaraS1: but only of the time you are logged in SemihE: yes l know but what about the conferance whıch l cant manage to attend VanceS: yes you can SemihE: how VanceS: all the events were recorded VanceS: which conference do you mean? BarbaraS1: tappedin BarbaraS1: i think FayeH: How do you get a copy of the transcript if you can't attend at that time, but still want to see what was said? SemihE: about webhead SemihE: l want to use thıs later ın school billc left the room (signed off). RitaZ joined the room. BarbaraS1: vance do you keep a log of the chats? BillC joined the room. DennisOl: Leanne: I just read the latest blog post. It was fun to hear from Spike. BillC left the room (signed off). RitaZ says hi to all MelekS: VanceS- Why did susanne Nyrop point out that navigation in webheads as chaos navigation SvetlanaM: Webheads Transcripts are fast becoming favourite bedtime reading! lol billc joined the room. VanceS: we do keep a log ElifY: hi rita VanceS: hang on I'll try to find all the URLs BarbaraS1: that's what i though BarbaraS1: thought DennisOl: Rita! Abrazos! SemihE: yes melekS asked good questıon RitaZ: hi, Elify LeanneMM hugs Rita BarbaraS1: hi rita ElifY: as you i am late LeanneMM: Hello dear Rita billc: hi Rita RitaZ: Abrazos muchos, Dennis :-) DennisOl hugs Rita, too! VanceS: Hi Rita LeanneMM: so good to see you here again MelekS: Thanks Semih DennisOl: Gracias, Rita! SemihE: l saw it whıle l was gatherın g ınformatıon about it ElifY: so i am just following VanceS: Webheads chat logs are here: http://www.homestead.com/prosites-vstevens/files/efi/chatlogs.htm RitaZ: hi, Leanne dear, so long! DennisOl: Have you been following Leanne's blog, Rita? DennisOl: http://lianadevine.wordpress.com/ VanceS: note that Sedat Akayoglu archives Webheads noon GMT Tapped In chat transcripts here: http://akayoglu_s.web.ibu.edu.tr/webheads.htm SemihE: VANCE ıs there anyone agaınst the webhead LeanneMM: Dennis, our latest CATastrophe is ants! VanceS: he has just started doing that DennisOl: Oy! DennisOl: Ants! VanceS: is there anyone against webheads? RitaZ blushes for not having folloewd it, would like to now! VanceS: not that we know of MelekS: no DennisOl: Why are they a CATastrophe? SemihE: ok billc: we talking real ants or is this some sort of acronym? LeanneMM: Rita, I know you've been travelling yourself LeanneMM: no, Bill, real ants DennisOl: It's really, really interesting, Rita. RitaZ: please, give me the url, Leanne DennisOl: http://lianadevine.wordpress.com/ LeanneMM: we live in our bus, now on our way from Canada to Mexico billc: seems like that time of the year for ants here too SemihE: hoe RitaZ thanks helpful Dennis once again DennisOl smiles MelekS: Leanne-that's very nice LeanneMM: there ARE ways to avoid them, but we just forgot. At home, it's much too cold for ants FayeH left the room (signed off). billc .oO(partridge family?) LeanneMM: Thanks, Melek SusanR: fascinating, Leanne LeanneMM . o O ( can't sing, bill ) SemihE: l want to ask agaın how can l use webhead ıs there any method for that DennisOl: Melek: The blog entries themselves are very interesting, and the photo gallery is getting bigger by the day. VanceS: For the K-12 online conference that just ended VanceS: http://k12onlineconference.org/ billc: its ok, neither can i. . . VanceS: all the presentations are recorded VanceS: and WELL worth listening, watching VanceS: amazing stuff there DennisOl: Semih: You can use Webheads as resources and as sources for new skills and tools. LeanneMM: and the great thing is, I get to learn/relearn all the fancy webhead stuff while I post to the blog SemihE: thanks dennis SvetlanaM: Leanne - your blog is cool! LeanneMM smiles at Svetlana LeanneMM: Thanks SusanR: do you miss home. Leanne LeanneMM: not so far, Sue, it's C-C-COLD there! SusanR: where are you at this moment? FeritA joined the room. DennisOl: All the Webheads learn a lot from sharing, commenting on, and asking questions about online tools, applications, events, and so on. LeanneMM: Just outside Sacramento California RitaZ: what a wonderful record of life, Leanne!! FeritA: ı am sorry DennisOl: I agree with you, Rita. VanceS: Webheads last conference is also recorded http://wiaoc.org FeritA: ı am a bit late MelekS: yes LeanneMM: it's only the beginning Rita - I hope you'll "stay tuned" SemihE: is there anyone who ıs related to preschool DennisOl: Hi, Ferit. Merhaba. FeritA: hi everybody MelekS: hi VanceS: Leanne are you going ot call in on Elizabeth Hanson-Smith? RitaZ: I WILL now, Leanne! :-) BarbaraS1: yes i teach preschool SemihE: wıll you use webhead billc: hi LeanneMM: AH! I forgot about her! Where is she, Vance? BarbaraS1: i ask for information mostly SvetlanaM: Leanne - Spike says! - it's such a great idea. A life in the life of a cat ( a day in the life of a cat lol ElifY: ferit you are here BarbaraS1: my students don't use computers until next year BarbaraS1: but i get a lot of ideas SusanR: I love it..from the cat's point of view RitaZ: arent you planning to visit the south of the continent, Leanne...? ;-) MelekS: Barbara- why VanceS: I'm not sure where exactly she is right now but she lives in Sacramento BarbaraS1: admin does not let us have them FeritA: yes ı am here even if you don't give information about whom to follow:) LeanneMM: ooohhh, please make comments on Spike's posting, then! LeanneMM: Thanks, Vance - maybe I'll email her VanceS: with webheads you have to get used to multiple conversations VanceS: all at the same time ElifY: noo noo i'll but SemihE: barbara l thınk you are goıng to use webhead next year ha? DennisOl: Leanne: I have Elizabeth's e-mail address. BarbaraS1: sure i will, but just in a different way ElifY: i was busy and i!ll write FeritA: no its just a joke SemihE: how barbara LeanneMM: Sorry, Rita, there's a little canal and jungle in the way ;-) ElifY: and i saw you here MelekS: Barbara- webheads is useful for your teaching? SvetlanaM: Leanne - cat comments, ok? Orey and Lillie will leave a message. I know exactly what' they'll say: they're dead jealous! FeritA: ı am sure you will give DennisOl: And here's a fairly recent webpage of Elizabeth's: DennisOl: http://www.geocities.com/ehansonsmi/ BarbaraS1: i get information about teaching FayeH joined the room. BarbaraS1: i want to do digital storytelling MelekS: abaut what FeritA: in what ways webheads is useful? ElifY: you can believe me ferit SemihE: ıts good billc: web 2.0 for cats. . .? LeanneMM: AWesome, Svetlana! Spike will love that - more buddy kitties FeritA: ı want to learn your ideas DennisOl: Ferit: The Webheads are useful as a source for receiving and sharing information. VanceS: for digital storytelling alan levine's page on 50 ways to tell a story SvetlanaM: Bill - why not! hehehe - BarbaraS1: yes i think so JohnWD joined the room. billc: I'm sure they love Twitter. . . FeritA: yes ı know that BarbaraS1: thanks you can help me :) DennisOl: The Webheads are also warm, friendly people who make everyone feel part of their community. FeritA: how can we use it to make much more different thing MelekS: two years later Iwill be a teacher Barbara so I asked SemihE: barbara dıgıtal story tellıng wıll make your student better FeritA: is there anyone who have interestşng ideas JohnWD: I assume on point BarbaraS1: i think so too DennisOl: Ferit: You can try new applications and sources of information, share impressions, and ask questions about them. You will always get a lot of feedback--and quickly. FayeH: I Alan Levine's page on the internet (50 ways to tell a story)? DennisOl: Everything Alan Levine does is good, right Faye? SemihE: any other way except from story tellıng FeritA: ı think it is also useful for reflection isn'it MelekS: maybe BarbaraS1: yes a lot for professional development FeritA: surely SemihE: barbara whıch grade are you teachıng billc: there's an online story-telling site that lets users click and drag pictures onto their stage. . .can't remember the name of it, might be good BarbaraS1: pre k ElifY: dennis:how can we use webheads in our classes when we become a teacher? BarbaraS1: kg1 we call it BarbaraS1: 4 to 5 years ol VanceS: here's a good digital storytellign page, alan's site is listed first BarbaraS1: ild VanceS: http://www.umbc.edu/oit/newmedia/studio/digitalstories/resources2.php BarbaraS1: old BarbaraS1: sorry lol SemihE: oh is not ıt dıffıcult FeritA: good question elif JohnWD: i am late to the party would someone after this is completed for the "day" share with me at jdebruyn@debruyn.com This sounds like I missed some really good stuff. JohnWD FeritA: ı also wonder about it DennisOl: Elif: You can try the resources that other teachers mention and you can network with teachers around the world to see how they solved this or that problem or used this or that tool. You can also see examples of what teachers all over the world are doing in their classes and you can get ideas of your own from those observations. FayeH: Vance, thank you for that URL for resources on digital storytelling. LeanneMM: Hey John, I think I missed the "party" too! ElifY: we are new here so if it was talked we missed LeanneMM winks MelekS: Don't worry JOHN BarbaraS1: there are some early years teachers here BarbaraS1: and we are discussing how to use webheads SemihE: VanceS are you the one who create webhead DennisOl: Elif and others: There will be an introduction to the Webheads seminar around the beginning of the year. ElifY: so as you want to say webheads are very useful for either teacher or students JohnWD: I will share the transcript by read it to find who said they would like a copy when I get what MelekS so kindly offered to send. BarbaraS1: right SemihE: l am sorry SemihE: l must to go SemihE: bye evryone VanceS: I did thanks BarbaraS1: bye ElifY: see u semih VanceS: I am the founder and coordinator SemihE: thx billc: bye Semih FeritA: bye MelekS: BYE VanceS: thanks for joining us ElifY: bye LeanneMM: Bye Semih DennisOl: Semih, it was wonderful to meet you. SvetlanaM: bye Semih FayeH: Bye Semih SemihE: me to MelekS: nice to meet you semih SemihE: thx melek SemihE left the room (signed off). LeanneMM: Take a bow, Vance (our founder and coordinator) FeritA: ıs there any useful website related to webheads in education DennisOl: Hip, hip . . . JohnWD: useful web sites, that is another good thing to be said of Vance VanceS bows, hiccups DennisOl: Ferit: Take a look at this Webheads link list from Teresa Almeida d'Eça, a middle school teacher in Portugal: DennisOl: http://64.71.48.37/teresadeca/sitemap.htm#Webheads FeritA: thanks a lot FeritA: it looks like a good site FeritA: thaks again FayeH: I will check Theresa's site out as well as the digital storytelling link you provided. DennisOl: It's quite good, Ferit, and Teresa is a wonderful teacher, collaborator, colleague, and mentor. DennisOl: Ferit: Try the Webheads Index page at the top of Teresa's links page: DennisOl: http://64.71.48.37/teresadeca/webheads/wia-index.htm MelekS: VanceS- thanks for your helping,Imust go FeritA: ok ı will check now DennisOl: Melek: It was nice to meet you here. MelekS: thanks SvetlanaM: good luck Melek. It was nice to meet you. DennisOl smiles VanceS smiles and waves ElifY: good bye melek MelekS: bye FeritA: bye melek DennisOl waves goodbye VanceS: here is another way of searching on webheads VanceS: http://www.technorati.com/search/webheadsinaction?authority=n&language=en DennisOl: Ah, yes! Great suggestion, Vance! MelekS left the room (signed off). FeritA: yahh great suggestion SvetlanaM left the room (signed off). VanceS: another http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&tab=wb&q=webheads+in+action&btnG=Search+Blogs FeritA: ı have to go now FeritA: vanceS BarbaraS1: bye and thanks ElifY: bye ferit FeritA: THANKS FOR THESE GREAT WEBSITES LeanneMM: Vance, will my blog come up on that? I did tag my last post with webheadsinaction DennisOl: It was really nice to meet you here, Ferit. DennisOl: Bye! DennisOl waves SvetlanaM joined the room. FeritA: BYE DennisOl: WB, Sveta! VanceS: it should have come up on technorati VanceS: let me double check FeritA: IT WAS ALSO NİCE TO MEET WITH ALL OF YOU DennisOl smiles SvetlanaM: Thanks. Disconnected. FayeH: Bye Ferit ElifY: thanks ferit FeritA: thaks for everthing DennisOl: It happens, Sveta! LeanneMM: I think I have to check a box or something to have it go to technorati FeritA: hope see you again FeritA: bye DennisOl: Insh'allah, Ferit! DennisOl: Bye. ElifY: inşallah FeritA smiles VanceS: it has to be a public blog Leanne ThomasLev joined the room. LeanneMM: Hi Tom VanceS: with your provider, not sure ThomasLev: Hello! VanceS: you can CLAIM your blog with technorati LeanneMM: well, I think it is public, Vance ElifY: hi thomas VanceS: try that, sign on and claim it VanceS: speaking of bloggers, here's tom DennisOl: Tom! How do! RitaZ: hi, Tom ThomasLev: I"m ok, thanks! FeritA left the room (signed off). LeanneMM: Is tom a master blogger? VanceS: he is a PUBLISHED master blogger trainer DennisOl: Elif: How's this? inşallah LeanneMM: I'm just starting with our trip blog, Tom, and I'm finding it takes a lot of time for the feeding and maintenance ThomasLev: I linked mine up to it! Hope you don't mind... ElifY: inşallah is the right saying of ins'allah ElifY: we hope the tihngs from god ElifY: it means ThomasLev: it does take time & time is precious RitaZ: you need to enjoy writing, thats it LeanneMM: hmmmm...Tom...how will I know that you linked yours up to mine? It doesn't FEEL any different! ThomasLev: though you may have more than usual VanceS: one thing you can do ThomasLev: at this moment DennisOl: Teşekkür ederim! VanceS: is activate trackback in your blog VanceS: each of you ThomasLev: Vance is right VanceS: and then reference the url of a blog post of the other DennisOl: It means "If God is willing." ElifY: you are welcome DennisOl smiles ThomasLev: when you know your way around Technorati you find out all this stuff VanceS: and the url that linked TO you will appear in your blog (at the bottom) DennisOl: I have to leave for a few minutes, everyone, but I'll be back. SvetlanaM: Could I ask a rather long question? There doesn't seem to be a perfect time to ask it - so would you mind if I posted it here now? It's about 20 lines long .... :-) LeanneMM: see you soon DEnnis ThomasLev: fire away Svetlana VanceS: go ahead svetlana SvetlanaM: I’m doing my MA in TESOL and am looking for students for my data. SvetlanaM: I’m looking for an English language school that uses an online classroom environment. I’d really appreciate your suggestions. SvetlanaM: Students need to be: SvetlanaM: • SvetlanaM: • SvetlanaM: I’m interested in the (possibly enhanced) noticing of spoken corrective feedback which is accompanied by the simultaneous written version in online classrooms, i.e. synchronous audiographic conferencing platforms. The teacher says that correction and types it simultaneously, immediately after the nontargetlike student utterance. As the online synchronous voice/text chat environment seems well-suited to cueing (reinforcing) spoken feedback by means of a simultaneously typed correction, will there be any effect on uptake of the spoken recast as a result of cueing/reinforcing the spoken correction with a written correction? SvetlanaM: There has been very little research done in online classrooms. In fact I’m finding that there aren’t that many such functioning classrooms with structured ongoing English language courses. LeanneMM: One of my problems is I'm not always sure of my internet connection while we're travelling... SvetlanaM: I’m doing my MA in TESOL and am looking for students for my data. SvetlanaM: I’m looking for an English language school that uses an online classroom environment. I’d really appreciate your suggestions. SvetlanaM: Students need to be: SvetlanaM: • SvetlanaM: • SvetlanaM: Students need to be: SvetlanaM: • SvetlanaM: • BeyzaY joined the room. RitaZ hugs dear Beyza LeanneMM: so I'd like to be able to do my writing offline. But I can't get scribefire to work for me very well VanceS: hi beyza SvetlanaM: Wait - it's not working - the copy paste isn't working Please wait! BeyzaY: Hi all, ElifY: hi LeanneMM: Hello Beyza BeyzaY: Beyza hugs Rita back tightly VanceS: Svetlana, you should write that qustion to our mailing list ThomasLev: Hi Beyza billc: hi Beyza FayeH: Hi Beyza SvetlanaM: Ok, Vance - sorry! will do! sorry VanceS: and if you want to ask it here, probably best to express it in short sentences, your own words SvetlanaM: Please ignore! BeyzaY: how re u all? VanceS: no, no need to ignore BarbaraS1: hi JohnWD: we VanceS: in your own words, what are you studying exactly? VanceS: what kind of feedback are you interested in? SvetlanaM: MA TESOL - I'm looking for students familiar with an online classroom environemtn and who are level tested. VanceS: level tested means for proficiency? VanceS: calibrated against TEOFL or TOEIC? VanceS: like that? SvetlanaM: level tested as in tested for elementary, or intermediate levels etc. SvetlanaM: So, that when they take part in my research, they are all of approximately the same level VanceS: and then if you find such students how do you plan to use them? SvetlanaM: A teacher- student setup, but in an online classroom - like Digital Samba perhaps./ They SusanR leaves for breakfast LeanneMM: See you Sue SvetlanaM: Where there is audio and text chat - the teacher corrects an error both in audio and text - the text reinforcing the audio. SvetlanaM: My idea is that the text chat, simultaneously given with the audio chat will enhance noticing. SvetlanaM: My idea is that the online, synchronous clasroom environemntent produces greater noticing. VanceS: this presumes that students are doing an 'exercise' ElifY left the room (signed off). BeyzaY: do we need to corect every error? SvetlanaM: yes, describing pictures nad finding the differencesi n the pictures. VanceS: what if the students were here with us now, how would feedback work BeyzaY: why doesnt the teacher focu on the common erros? VanceS: or some teachers might not focus on errors at all SvetlanaM: It would need to be audio as well , Not sure Vance what you mean? SvetlanaM: in this chatroom? Vance? VanceS: but for the purpose of your study, you would do a 15 min exercise with them BeyzaY: well I think there has to be balance SvetlanaM: Yes, I'm planning on a 20 minutes session or so, VanceS: the webheads list is one place to recruit SvetlanaM: But my problem is finding an online school - a school that has an online classroom where students are familiar with the online environment. SvetlanaM: ok, Thanks Vance. I'll post my question there. SvetlanaM: This is the wrong forum, I can see that. VanceS: not really VanceS: we bounce ideas off each other VanceS: nice to know what people are 'into' VanceS: What's Beyza 'into' these days? ElifY joined the room. billc: sorry to barge in, but if you have a server handy locally, you could run a MUD temporarily. It wouldn't account for audio, but if the teacher is in the same room, you could do a simultaneous audio recording VanceS: Rita would know :-) BeyzaY: Im really into wikis BeyzaY: and infroming all instructors LeanneMM: I'm trying to figure out scribefire BeyzaY: about online tools these days BeyzaY: Im also trying to find some online portfolio examples VanceS: scribefire? RitaZ: Beyza is into urging her stds to wotk online..., and she's being successful (no wonder) ;-) ElifY: i have to go ElifY: take care all VanceS: Beyza is in Turkey btw ElifY: see you soon BarbaraS1: bye VanceS: ok, nice to see everyone billc: c'ya Elif LeanneMM: yes, it's a firefox addon that lets you write offline to a blog, then links your post to the blog as a draft BeyzaY: do you know where I can find some xamples FayeH: Beyza, what do you students do online? BeyzaY: bye elif ElifY: nice to see you ElifY: bye BeyzaY: I set up a wiki VanceS: examples of what? BeyzaY: to make them correct their own errors BeyzaY: onine port RitaZ: examples of what, Beyza? BarbaraS1: vance your students are doing mulitply, right? BeyzaY: online portfolio VanceS: we used it one year, but I think I prefer blogger now VanceS: keep them in Google BarbaraS1: oh ok ElifY left the room (signed off). FayeH: Beyza---Writing skills, then? SvetlanaM: I've used Google.docs and found it simple and effective. BeyzaY: yeah BeyzaY: but I think I should add voice mail SvetlanaM: I use it together with skype - so they can talk and write simultaneously LeanneMM: well, I'm going back to bed for awhile...nice to see you all...I'll be in touch when I can SvetlanaM: Yes, Beyza - that's why I use Skype at the same time. BeyzaY: or another tool to improve their listening sklls DennisOl: Beyza: Merhaba! I was AFK for a few minutes and didn't see you come in. billc: bye Leanne RitaZ: bye, Leanne! SvetlanaM: Open both up at the same time, Beyza FayeH: How do I get Skype if I am using Google.doc ThomasLev: take care & happy traveling! DennisOl: Take care, Leanne! RitaZ: keep in contact! BeyzaY: bye leanne RitaZ: I'l write to you! LeanneMM: you bet, Rita! BeyzaY: merhaba Denis DennisOl: I do hope we can get together when you arrive in Mesa. LeanneMM: yes, Dennis, me too SvetlanaM: Faye -do you have Skype on your machine? ThomasLev: beware, Canada "falls back" this weekend, USA next weekend DennisOl: How's everything, Beyza? I'm sure you're keeping really busy, as usual. VanceS: cya Leanne LeanneMM: Thanks, Tom, I'll let you know if I find out anything useful about scribefire ThomasLev: ok thanks! FayeH: No....I'm not familiar with Skype. How do I get it? DennisOl sends big hugs and smiles to Leanne LeanneMM: I'm not in Canada, Tom! JeffC left the room (signed off). BeyzaY: everthing is fine but I need to multitask a lot BeyzaY: and u dennis? ThomasLev: ah but you're in the US communicating to Canada, right? LeanneMM hugs Vance goodbye LeanneMM: cya! BeyzaY: u need to download it RitaZ: Beyza, try Chinswing, I love it for all skills! LeanneMM: yes, Tom...ah I get it! BeyzaY: can I add it to pbwiki as a widget BeyzaY: ?_ VanceS: I want to play with Voicethread soon LeanneMM: but they're not awake yet anyway! DennisOl: Beyza: I'm also busy! FayeH: Thanks, Beyza.....and it is an audio program that works with Google.docs????? DennisOl: Faye: Try this: DennisOl: http://www.skype.com/ SvetlanaM: Faye - wait www.skype.com LeanneMM: Faye, we LOVE LOVE LOVE skype BeyzaY: I m also attending a cource in Britsh council about how to teach academic writing DennisOl: Beyza: Here's the Chinswing page: DennisOl: http://www.chinswing.com/ RitaZ: like Voicethread, but a priori I prefer Chiswing, need to investigate more, the latter id soo good! BeyzaY: what about podomatic? DennisOl: VoiceThread: DennisOl: http://www.chinswing.com/ SvetlanaM: So, Faye - you open the two at the same time and talk and collaborate on the google.docs document at thesame time. RitaZ keeps thanking dear Dennis FayeH: thanks Dennis. this sound GREAT!! Could I use the google.docs for students to post their drafts of their writing and then I reply back to them in writing AND in audio with a combo of both google AND skype? DennisOl: Podomatic: DennisOl: http://www.chinswing.com/ JohnWD: ElderBob may be joining us. He just told me that transcripts are in the office. I will get what I need for today, I missed some stuff coming late as I did, from the office. DennisOl: Oops! I'll try again. Podomatic: DennisOl: http://www.podomatic.com/ FayeH: Oh my gosh....I finding out so-o much! DennisOl: No hay de que, querida amiga Rita! FayeH: What is podomatic? Is it the same type audio program as Skype? RitaZ hugs Dennis gratefully DennisOl: That's what I meant by "sharing applications and tools, etc.", Faye. RitaZ: no, Faye, its an audio blog LeanneMM waves bye and hits the kill switch ThomasLev: I think they were discussing this in webheadsenaccion (webheads in Spanish) LeanneMM left the room (signed off). FayeH: So what should I use with students when I want them to post rough drafts of their papers on google.docs? Can they use Skype to add audio questions? VanceS: two others that weighed in from the K-12 online conference are (1) Google presentation ThomasLev: but my Spanish is shaky so I"m not sure VanceS has just opened it, looks like powerpoint, but that's the idea ... VanceS: and netvibes RitaZ: Beyza, Podomatic is great, but Chiswing is social, and not a blog, but a place to listen and to record, mainly, with forums to participate in SvetlanaM: Faye - I use Skype for real-time audio chat while using google.docs - not for posting asynchronous audio questions. ThomasLev: brb BeyzaY: maybe I can give feedack to my srtudents using that DennisOl: Here's a Podomatic tutorial. It will show you how Podomatic works and how to create podcasts with it. DennisOl: http://tutorial.podomatic.com/ BeyzaY: beacause I usually give fedback online RitaZ: which one, Beyza? BeyzaY: chinswing RitaZ: podomatic? BeyzaY: thanks Dennis DennisOl: My pleasure, Beyza. RitaZ: ah, dunno whether its the right tool for that purpose DennisOl: Tom: Are you in the "Webheads en español" group? VanceS: i like that name webheadsenaccion - is that what they named it finally? DennisOl: Yes, I was wondering about that, too. SusanR left the room (signed off). DennisOl: webheadsenacción: nice RitaZ: I myself think the name Webheads shouldnt be distorted DennisOl: I agree. VanceS: as in webcabezaenaccion? SvetlanaM: How does the 'w' sound in Castellano? I wonder DennisOl: And that point was made in the discussion, if I remember correctly. VanceS: cabezas RitaZ: like "u" DennisOl: ja, ja, ja! DennisOl: I love it! BeyzaY: I think I ned to learn Spanish ,u guys are great DennisOl: And I need to learn more in Turkish! RitaZ: I'd need to learn some Turkish as well ;-) DennisOl: I've picked up a few tricks about being able to input the diacritics. SvetlanaM: uwebedsenaccion with the emphasis at the end BeyzaY: dnt worry I ll teach u online billc: how about webcervezasenaccion? BeyzaY: Ill be back in 3 mts RitaZ: ok, Beyza VanceS: hold down alt and type on the number pad, dennis? DennisOl: Teşekkür ederim, Beyza! DennisOl: Yes, I know I can do that--but remembering the numerical codes is challenging. VanceS: i would think so VanceS: copy paste then? SvetlanaM: Cool - Dennis. And you can do it at the drop of a hat... DennisOl: For many applications, if you just find it online (say, in a Google search) and then copy and paste, it will show up OK. DennisOl: That's what I did when I input Teşekkür ederim. SvetlanaM: Yes, but the problem is doing is quickly - exactly when and where you need it. Not going looking for it first... VanceS: that's how I get Saša's name right BeyzaY: Rica ederim Dennis BeyzaY D DennisOl smiles DennisOl: That one is easy to type! BeyzaY: yeah BeyzaY: two words BeyzaY: it means:yw SvetlanaM: oh, clever....! DennisOl: I'll remember that! JohnWD left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Again, teşekkür ederim! BeyzaY: rica ederim BarbaraS1: how many languages do you know, Dennis? DennisOl smiles BeyzaY: Vance what are u up to these days;? BarbaraS1: i have heard portugese DennisOl: Bits and pieces of a lot. BarbaraS1: turkish BarbaraS1: arabic BeyzaY: german VanceS: our team presented at K-12 online BarbaraS1: wow he knows a lot DennisOl: I always made a point of learning at least a few phrases in the first languages of my students. VanceS: this weekend I head for Hanoi for http://glocall.org BarbaraS1: how nice DennisOl: Some were much harder than others. VanceS: other than that nothing much BeyzaY: what was the topic? RitaZ smart Dennis :-) DennisOl: I'm a kind of linguistic dilettante! BarbaraS1: very smart VanceS: Rita was on the team DennisOl: No: I'm a trivioligist, I think! billc: wow, you're almost going to be in my neighborhood, wave as you fly by DennisOl: Hanoi, huh? BeyzaY: I miss a lot when there s an even on weekdays VanceS: just for a couple of days though DennisOl: Do you know any Vietnamese, Vance? RitaZ: though away most of the time, am afraid :-( FayeH: What will your topic be in Hanoi? BarbaraS1: will you be at tappedin on Sunday? BarbaraS1: if not, we can carry the torch lol VanceS: me? I will try BarbaraS1: ok DennisOl: You did a good job of that when Vance was in Houston, Bobbi. BarbaraS1: Thanks ;) BarbaraS1: I don't know a lot of the more technical bits of moderating DennisOl: As to your being here, Vance, I can only say inşallah! BarbaraS1: you all are here to help out BeyzaY: we use the same word as well BeyzaY: which means I hope so SvetlanaM left the room (signed off). DennisOl: But you keep things moving and you keep the atmosphere welcoming, Bobbi. That's what it's all about. BeyzaY: if God permits VanceS: you can say insha'allah to anything almost RitaZ: need to leave, guys, till next time! Hugs! DennisOl: Yes. It's a very useful phrase. BeyzaY: thanks for the pics Rita BarbaraS1: thanks Dennis, it's easy to keep it going with such nice people supporting BeyzaY: cya soon VanceS: cya RIta DennisOl: Hasta la próxima vez, Rita. Muchos abrazos y besos! VanceS: have a nice day RitaZ: you are welcome, dear Beyza BarbaraS1: bye rita RitaZ: bye all, enjoy your week! DennisOl: I agree, Bobbi. ThomasLev: Dennis, I joined Webheadsenaccion- it's interesting! RitaZ left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Tú también, Rita! DennisOl: Quisiera oir más, Tom. DennisOl: Can you send me an e-mail about the experience? DennisOl: dennis dot oliver at cox dot net ThomasLev: ok! DennisOl smiles ThomasLev: it's like having friends speak Spanish in your e-mail box every day SvetlanaM joined the room. EBobB joined the room. DennisOl: ¡Increible! DennisOl: Hey, EB! ThomasLev: although I don't always understand everything they say DennisOl: WB, Sveta! DennisOl: I can relate to that, Tom. DennisOl: I've been trying to listen to some webcasts in Spanish. DennisOl: Sometimes I understand pretty well, sometimes not. ThomasLev: and- often have trouble with things like how to make a signo de interrogacion invertido! VanceS: hey eBob EBobB: Hello all. DennisOl: Ah! ThomasLev: or an enye EBobB: I am still alilve, but just barely. DennisOl: ¿ VanceS . o O ( just when we thought the party was winding down ) BarbaraS1: gosh what happened? VanceS: what happened DennisOl: Do you use a PC, Tom, or a Mac? ThomasLev: mac BeyzaY: Hi ebob EBobB: Flu and upper respiratory....I have no voice today. ThomasLev: what's up, Bob? DennisOl: It's easy on a Mac: Hit option + shift + ? DennisOl: ¿ BeyzaY: get well soon BarbaraS1: you can just type here EBobB: ....and I am doing a session on Wikis at Kknowplace. BarbaraS1: oh BeyzaY: really? EBobB: I am working on it Beysa. BarbaraS1: you'll need your voice then ThomasLev: ¿ ThomasLev: thanks! SvetlanaM left the room (signed off). EBobB: Nope, no voice today. VanceS: it's asynch DennisOl: ¡Muy bi! ThomasLev: I could have looked it up I suppose, but instead I sit there tongue-tied, so to speak BarbaraS1: that's good...you can rest it DennisOl: ⁄Muy bién! EBobB: Yep, which means the show still goes on, even when you are sick. BeyzaY: ucan make sb speak instead BeyzaY D DennisOl: And for an accented vowel, use option + e + vowel: DennisOl: á é í ó ú BeyzaY: I can understand u as I suffered from the same probelm las wek DennisOl: And for eñe, hit option + n: BarbaraS1: i nver get colds ThomasLev: lemon, tea & e-mail, bob BeyzaY: but I needed to teach so I used Silent way BarbaraS1: never BeyzaY D DennisOl: Oops option + n + n: BarbaraS1: I think because i teach pre-k DennisOl: ñ ñ ñ BarbaraS1: am immune by now EBobB: Nellie Deutsch is on next weekend for Un and undereloped education programs = with a special sectionon using cell phones. ThomasLev: ñ DennisOl: Sounds very interesting, EB. DennisOl: Nellie Deutsch is involved in lots of online things. BarbaraS1: i cant send texts very well on my cellphone VanceS: I've been listening to australian podcasts made by sue waters on mobile technology DennisOl: Tú estas haciendo bién, Tom. BarbaraS1: i peck at it VanceS: quite informative ThomasLev: y la signo de exclamacion? VanceS: i want to get a PDA now SvetlanaM joined the room. BarbaraS1: what is a PDA? ThomasLev: no puedo hacerlo DennisOl: option + ! for inverted !: ¡ ¡ ¡ ! EBobB: and next month, we have social tazonomy and a special session from the head cat-herder Vance.... VanceS: Personal digital assistant BarbaraS1: like Ali has? DennisOl: ¡Si, tú puedes! FayeH: Won't a phone like a blackberry/Treo/Q do the same? VanceS: something like that VanceS: I thought I was doing Google Notebook and other Googletoools BarbaraS1: give me your cellphone and buy a PDA DennisOl: I look forward to the cat-herder's presentation! DennisOl: LOL, Bobbi. BarbaraS1: lol EBobB: In December Ramona and Cristina return....and the 2nd annual KnowFest. VanceS: oh, btw, I"ve promised to take bobbi hiking that weekend FayeH: What is the KnowFest? BarbaraS1: full moon hike DennisOl: ¿Puedes hacer la signo de exclamación, Tom? VanceS: but as it's asynch I think we can swing it DennisOl: ¡Ay, caramba! EBobB: You are doing Notebook, arent you? ThomasLev: !!!! invertido !! DennisOl: ¡Fantástico! DennisOl: Those are the only marks you need for about 80% of your keyboarding, Tom. VanceS: yes notebook and other google tools EBobB: KnowFest is a an annual Winter sharing and celebration....share recipes, stories, culture, etc. BeyzaY: I m readinga book about distance learning VanceS: which one? BeyzaY: and lang teaching DennisOl: Diaresis is option + u + vowel (normally u): DennisOl: ü BeyzaY: "language learning in distance education" BarbaraS1: what days will it take place VanceS: by whom beyza/ BarbaraS1: and is it 24 hours? BeyzaY: by cambridge uni DennisOl: (Of course that's an umlaut, too!) BeyzaY: the author id cynthia white DennisOl: And cedilla is option + c: ç FayeH: Beyza, and what is the title? NinaTL joined the room. NinaTL waves and hugs all around BeyzaY: "language learning in distance education" BeyzaY: hi dear Nina BarbaraS1: hi nina NinaTL: I just dropped in to see what was going on! BjB joined the room. ThomasLev: Hi Nina ThomasLev: !! NinaTL: Hi BJ BarbaraS1: hi bjb SvetlanaM: Hello Nina. BarbaraS1: what is your name BJ? BjB hugs and waves hi to all the wonderful webheads! BarbaraS1: because I'm a BJ too NinaTL: Have you all been solving the world's cyber-questions this morning? BarbaraS1: barbara Joe BarbaraS1: or Bobbi Joe BjB: I'm also a Barbara, Barbara! But I go by BJ NinaTL: Really? I am Nina Jo BarbaraS1: cool BarbaraS1: my dad used to call me BJ NinaTL: Bobbi, what is your J? BarbaraS1: Joe DennisOl: _Learning Learning and Distance Education_: CUP: DennisOl: http://tinyurl.com/2xnu5d NinaTL: Sorry I meant BJ BarbaraS1: should have been Jo BarbaraS1: but they made a mistake on the birth certificate BarbaraS1: spelled it Joe DennisOl: Nina! Hugs! NinaTL: My parents were both Jo's - mother Josephine, father Joseph billc .oO(i'm getting a bit confused. . . recurrent webhead names . . .?) NinaTL: Hi, dennis my pal BjB . o O ( I'm Barbara Joan ) BarbaraS1: it's karma DennisOl: Sorry that I missed the second one, too, Nina. NinaTL: We are all one in the webhead world NinaTL: Any other Jo(e)'s out there? BarbaraS1: nice name :) DennisOl: But Friday was a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG day. SvetlanaM: Cosa Nostra... billc: sorry , no Joe in my name. . . NinaTL: np Dennis, only JiWon and I made the chat :-( BarbaraS1: go change it then BarbaraS1: teasing billc: or Jo DennisOl: Then I don't feel too bad. billc: hey, there's an idea NinaTL: I am going to try night in Japan next time NinaTL: This will make it impossible for you unless you have serious insomnia billc: but Bill Joe doesn't quite sound right DennisOl: I have lots of names, but no one has ever called me Joe. billc: or Joe Bill NinaTL: But Billie Joe is common SvetlanaM: Billie Joe BarbaraS1: but billie Joe sounds nice NinaTL: or Billy Joel DennisOl: or Joe Bill Bob. NinaTL: LOL BjB . o O ( worked for Billy Joel! ) EBobB: Well, I have refilled the how water bottle, and I am going back to bed. EBobB: night all. BarbaraS1: lucky you NinaTL: Sweet dreams DennisOl: (I have lots of cousins with double names--John Ed, John Ray, etc. billc .oO(Joe Bill Bob sounds very distinguished. . . ) BarbaraS1: night, hope you are better EBobB left the room (signed off). SvetlanaM: suenos! BarbaraS1: like billy ray cyrus NinaTL: In Turkey everyone is known by their middle name, right Beyza? billc: yeah VanceS: cya ebob billc: what about Dennis? billc: Dennis Joe? DennisOl: Sueños. FayeH: Bye all. Must go. I got lots of great ideas and urls that I can go to for ideas. BarbaraS1: dennis joe would work billc: Dennis Joseph DennisOl: Luvit, EB! BeyzaY: sorry Nina BeyzaY: no NinaTL: Goodbye, Faye, sorry I didn't get to really chat with you BeyzaY: but many people have middle names SvetlanaM: Weeeell, I need to cook some food, so bye until next week. Thanks everyone! Bye BarbaraS1: bye sorry we got off on a tangent :) ThomasLev: billy ray cyrus is your cousin? billc: bye Faye, BarbaraS1: i wish BeyzaY: bye Faye NinaTL: No? Many of my Turkish students and friends have used their middle names exclusively DennisOl: One of my old nicknames (in a group of people I once worked with) was "Denny Bill Bob." billc: I am my own grandfather. . . NinaTL: That's a great song BjB: brb BeyzaY: it's usual if they have middle names billc: Denny Bill Bob, that has a nice ring to it. . . DennisOl: Sveta: Happy cooking! BarbaraS1: that's a cool nickname Dennis NinaTL: speaking of which have you all seen that great youtube video "The Mom Song"? BeyzaY: yes BjB left the room. billc: the mom song? BarbaraS1: yes it's funny DennisOl: But my favorite name was given to me by a three-year-old. NinaTL: I laughed so hard! NinaTL: What's that, Dennis SvetlanaM left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Haven't seen "The Mom Song," but I NinaTL: hang on Bill, I will find the link DennisOl: I'll check it out. BjB joined the room. VanceS: describe it, I can't see it from my office NinaTL: but I think it's probably only really funny to moms DennisOl: Nina: Ricky Banana NinaTL: we'll see billc waiting with baited breath. . . NinaTL: Ricky? NinaTL: brbr FayeH left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Yep. billc: where'd Ricky come from? BarbaraS1: haha, ricky banana is cool DennisOl: Who knows how she came up with the Ricky . . . or the Banana! NinaTL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxT5NwQUtVM BarbaraS1: my students are supposed to call me Ms. Bobbi billc: well, you'd go well with the banana song then. . . :-) BarbaraS1: but they often call me Ms. Barbie :( billc: thanks Nina, will give a watch DennisOl: Before that, she called me Dentist, but she said, "That's too hard. And it's ugly." DennisOl: So I asked her to make a new name for me and Ricky Banana was the result. BarbaraS1: leave it to kids DennisOl: Yep! billc: I like it BarbaraS1: so innocent NinaTL: The lyrics go by so fast it's hard to catch all of them but apparently they are somewhere on youtube; also I got them off one of my lists DennisOl smiles DennisOl chuckles NinaTL: Dentist is good! NinaTL: I remember the funny ways Vicki used to pronounce some words BarbaraS1: I hate being called Barbie NinaTL: Restaurant was restatint DennisOl: Bill: Yes, I guess I would (go well with the banana song). NinaTL: hamburger was hungugga DennisOl: I bet, Bobbi. BarbaraS1: I still use some of kids baby talk NinaTL: Understandable, Bobbi, considering what Barbie has come to represent BarbaraS1: dusty used to call the computer puttywaiter DennisOl: Like what, Bobbi? NinaTL: That's a good one! BarbaraS1: Vance and I still call it that DennisOl: I love it! BeyzaY: my parents say I started to speak when I was 5 months ols BeyzaY: old billc: puttywaiter-- could be a good blog name BarbaraS1: too cute to lose DennisOl: My goodness, Beyza! BarbaraS1: gosh NinaTL: I am reading Barbara Kingsolver's new book and she mentions a few of her kids' words they still use BarbaraS1: that's it really young BarbaraS1: to start talking DennisOl: Yes, it certainly is! NinaTL: Goodness, Beyza, you were precocious! BarbaraS1: it's almost a part of your family culture BeyzaY: they also say by the time I was one I could use full sentences without making any mistakes DennisOl: And she still is, Nina! BarbaraS1: the words, nicknames, etc. DennisOl: That is absolutely amazing, Beyza. DennisOl: Wow! BarbaraS1: it really is amazing NinaTL: And then you demonstrated your ability to acquire a second language perfectly too BarbaraS1: child prodigy billc: 5 months, that's amazing-- guess you should be using voicethreads. . . DennisOl: Definitey! BarbaraS1: were you an only child? DennisOl: (Definitely a child prodiby) DennisOl: prodigy BeyzaY: I sed to correct everones grammar mistakes whn I was 2 BeyzaY: thanks guys BeyzaY: no DennisOl: Rica ederim! NinaTL: You must've been really annoying to everybody hehe BeyzaY: yeah DennisOl: Yes, I imagine so! NinaTL: translation Dennis? DennisOl: Parakaló! DennisOl: You're welcome. BeyzaY: everone especially my peers hated me when I did that NinaTL: I thought that was tesekkur ederim. Same thing? BeyzaY: tesekkur derım is tahnks BeyzaY: rica ederim si yw NinaTL: Oh, right DennisOl: Teşekkür ederim! NinaTL: I must've forgotten my Greek too BeyzaY: whats the greek one? DennisOl: I don't think so! NinaTL: Stop showing off your proficiency with diacritical marks Rcky Banana DennisOl: Efkharistó: Thank you. NinaTL: Parakalo is both please and you're welcome DennisOl: Parakaló: You're welcome. NinaTL: kind of like Prego in Italian ThomasLev: got to go- real-world pressure is rising... DennisOl: But they're important to show the stress. NinaTL: I know what you mean Tom-have a nice week DennisOl: Still, I guess I _was_ showing off. NinaTL: Obviously, but I can't do it so I am jealous ThomasLev: thanks! ThomasLev left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Take good care, Tom, hear? And send that e-mail! BarbaraS1: sorry, Glenn's girlfriend just came home billc: actually, 'Ricky Banana' should have diacritic in it shouldn't it. . . ? BarbaraS1: talking to her DennisOl: No. billc: see you Tom DennisOl: Not in Spanish, anyway. DennisOl: The stress is regular. NinaTL: How do you say banana in Turkish, Bayza? BeyzaY: muz DennisOl: Muz: I like that! NinaTL: Banana is banana in every language I know BeyzaY: very shortLOL NinaTL: but not Turkish! BeyzaY d billc: Thai is 'gluay' BarbaraS1: it's moza in arabic BeyzaY: REALLY? NinaTL: So the Turks probably borrowed it from Arabic BarbaraS1: something like that BeyzaY: There alots of words like that in Turkish NinaTL: Did bananas come from Central America originally? BeyzaY: but there are alos very Turkish ones BarbaraS1: the word or the fruit? NinaTL: I learned that any Turkish words that have /a/ and /i/ come from Arabic NinaTL: the fruit BeyzaY: yeah BeyzaY: my name is lso from arabic VanceS: Mooz in arabic, like muz NinaTL: Yes, it has a front and a central vowel VanceS: Beyza is a small coin BeyzaY: o BeyzaY: no BeyzaY: it has many meanings actually DennisOl: I think bananas originally came from Southeast Asia: DennisOl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana BeyzaY: it means very bright light NinaTL: Which one did your parents intend? NinaTL: That's lovely NinaTL: Luz in Spanish BeyzaY: and it's also from Quran VanceS: beyza as money became peso in spanish DennisOl: More on bananas: BarbaraS1: in the UAE it's the coin monetary unit BeyzaY: İT DennisOl: http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/banana.html NinaTL: Now that is very interesting! BarbaraS1: baisa BeyzaY: it's one of the miracles of Moses NinaTL: Thank you Dennis! DennisOl: Beyza: The meaning of Svetlana (who was here earlier) is similar. BeyzaY: he hit his stick on the ground and seven very bright lights appeared NinaTL: Yes, Dennis, that's correct - svete is light BarbaraS1: wherever they come from, bananas are amazing BeyzaY: each of them are called Beyza NinaTL: sveta BarbaraS1: so good BeyzaY: really? NinaTL: or svet? BeyzaY: and it also means very white woman NinaTL: In Greek tehre is Fotini NinaTL: it comes from fos, light NinaTL: and has a religious meaning "light of God" I think DennisOl: Yes--as in Fos Hilaron, right? NinaTL: I suppose so, yes NinaTL: Male is Fotos DennisOl: Svetlana is related to the meanings 'light' and 'holy.' NinaTL: as in photography, duh NinaTL: writing with light BeyzaY: we re all bright people then BeyzaY smiles DennisOl: Fos Hilaron is from the Orthodox Vespers service. NinaTL: aha BeyzaY: illuminating each other wiht our lights BeyzaY smiles DennisOl: I don't know about Ricky Banana, Beyza. Maybe he's not to bright. (He's kind of sputtery, actualy.) NinaTL: webheads spreading the light BeyzaY: but t's not dark DennisOl: actually BeyzaY: hahah DennisOl smiles DennisOl chuckles NinaTL: I've just been grading areading test I administered Thursday, based on an article in the Wash. Post of multi-lingual domains DennisOl laughs out loud NinaTL: Most of my students did a pathetic job DennisOl: Tell us more, Nina. BarbaraS1: must be frustrating NinaTL: Well it's about how ICANN is ready to launch domains in different scripts BeyzaY: has anyone read the book I mentioned? VanceS: I'm grading tests too NinaTL: which book DennisOl: What was the problem? Vocabulary? Context clues? Summarizing? Fact vs Opinion? NinaTL: God knows VanceS: and no, I haven't read it BarbaraS1: me either DennisOl: I haven't, Beyza, but I'd like to. NinaTL: They misunderstood the questions VanceS: thoough I've heard talks by cynthia white BeyzaY: I think it was published in 2003 NinaTL: For example, I asked, How long has the technology for multilingual domains existed, and one student responded with "until now" BeyzaY: I found it accidentaly in British council library NinaTL: This student is actually taking classes for credit at UM NinaTL: I can't imagine how DennisOl: The link I posted to information on the book was from the Cambridge University Press website--so that would include publication data. NinaTL: What's the name of the book, Beyza? BeyzaY: "Language learning in distance education" DennisOl: Here's the long URL: DennisOl: http://www.cambridge.org/elt/elt_projectpage.asp?id=2500426 NinaTL: I haven't read it billc: the mom song is beautiful Nina, thanks for that NinaTL: I don't do much professional reading, actually (blush) BarbaraS1: sounds like it's appropriate for many in this group NinaTL: Did you enjoy it, Bill? I think it's hilarious billc: think someone should do a mashup of it for 'the teacher song' BarbaraS1: the book that is DennisOl: Here's a short URL: DennisOl: http://tinyurl.com/2xnu5d NinaTL: Care to try? NinaTL: I generally read two books at a time: one audiobook during my commute and one paper copy BeyzaY: I think it's good for people like me who are newbies BeyzaY: u guys are really good at doing web based stuff NinaTL: Currently I am listening to 'Animal, vegetable, Miracle' by Barbara Kingsolver and reading a novel by Kazuo Ishiguro (? NinaTL: I can't remember the title DennisOl: The book sounds good. This is what the summary says on the CUP website: DennisOl: Distance learning presents language teachers and learners with a new set of challenges, opportunities and practical realities. This book presents a comprehensive overview of important issues within the field and explores the ways in which all participants are adapting their practices in response to the new learning environment. NinaTL: Not me, Beyza, I am still a newbie NinaTL: and I have never taught online BeyzaY: me too BarbaraS1: i have taken online courses though BarbaraS1: and my son is getting an MA online BeyzaY: I just use web as a complematary material BeyzaY: really? NinaTL: My local TESOL affiliate is offering a workshop in a couple of weeks on technologies that I hope to attend BarbaraS1: yes in TEFL BeyzaY: which universitiy is offering him that opprtunuties BeyzaY: ? NinaTL: It has some I've had no exposure to, like text-to-speech BarbaraS1: Queensland in Australia NinaTL: It really is amazing DennisOl: Here's Google Books information on _Language Learning . . ._: DennisOl: http://tinyurl.com/2h8h8l NinaTL: but there are unique challenges for the teacher and student NinaTL: It's not for everyone BarbaraS1: yes, i don't think he could have done it 5 years ago NinaTL: The teacher must create a learning community BarbaraS1: but now he's committed NinaTL: the students must participate in that community BarbaraS1: and experienced BeyzaY: tht NinaTL: It's difficult to do a degree, or even a course, without the stimulation of discussion NinaTL: At least I think so BeyzaY: tahts why I need to do the same thing online DennisOl: I completely agree, Nina. BarbaraS1: some online courses have a minimum age requirement BeyzaY: I mean MA NinaTL: That's why BaW and similar courses are so successful NinaTL: the community is vibrant and lots of people are active in discussions DennisOl: Hear, hear. NinaTL: but I am sure there are other courses out there where the professor does not set the tone or something NinaTL: and the students feel isolated and bored BarbaraS1: for sure DennisOl: Online work can be deadly dull and boring if there isn't some kind of community feeling and sharing of information--and the more active both are, the better. BarbaraS1: where you just read and submit papers online DennisOl: There are LOTS of courses like that, Bobbi! NinaTL: Are any of you here preparing to offer an EVO workshop? BarbaraS1: hard to stay interested BarbaraS1: in courses like that BeyzaY: can u recommend me any universites offering MA in CALL ?, DennisOl: I think the deadline has passed for submitting proposals, Nina. NinaTL: although I am afraid to sign up this year because of my responsibilities as self-study coordinator BarbaraS1: look up queensland BarbaraS1: maybe they do NinaTL: I tend to get sucked in to EVO and then my FL duties get short shrift NinaTL: Yes, Dennis, so if anyone is teaching one they would already know! NinaTL: I will be involved in the self-study for at least another year BeyzaY: Thans Bobbi DennisOl: Yes, I think so. I know that Carla Arena recently started getting ready for one that she is doing (with others). BarbaraS1: your welcome NinaTL: Yes, she's at a univ in FL BarbaraS1: you're welcome i mean :) BeyzaY: np NinaTL: Are they doing BfB again? BeyzaY: someone told me that NinaTL: Isn't Carla doing her degree in CALL or distance ed? BeyzaY: but I dont remember BeyzaY: who DennisOl: Yes, Nina. NinaTL: Beyza, have you asked Carla about her program? DennisOl: Beyza: Take a look at TESOL, Inc.'s "Finding Teacher Education Programs in TESOL": DennisOl: http://www.tesol.org/s_tesol/seccss.asp?CID=124&DID=1594 NinaTL: btw is Rita back home now? Has anyone heard from her? DennisOl: She was here earlier, Nina. NinaTL: Was she pleased with her trip? I am sure she must have been NinaTL: I am sorry I missed her BeyzaY: no not yet NinaTL: I was sleeping in and enjoying coffee with my hubby while correcting those pathetic tests BeyzaY: but Im really detemined to do an MA in call NinaTL: Great, Beyza BeyzaY: yeah NinaTL: You will do a wonderful job at that BeyzaY: but its not very possiblein urkey NinaTL: I have a full day ahead mostly cooking BeyzaY: as its a very new notion here NinaTL: spinach lasagna, cranberry walnut bread, baked yams NinaTL: and have to finish those tests :-( NinaTL: professional day at work tomorrow (no class but much work) NinaTL: So I will big you all a fond adieu BeyzaY: tomorro is our natinal holiday DennisOl: Carla Arena would be a good resource for you, Geyza. NinaTL: and wish you a happy productive week NinaTL: Happy holiday of whatever it is DennisOl: Have a terrific holiday, then, Beyza! NinaTL left the room (signed off). ReginaL joined the room. BarbaraS1: think i'll head out too BeyzaY: Ill definitely contact her DennisOl: Me, too. BarbaraS1: nice to see all of you BeyzaY: mum is cooking I need to help her BarbaraS1: see you next week, i hope ReginaL left the room (signed off). BeyzaY: so I need to go too BarbaraS1: bye ;) BeyzaY: cya allsoon BarbaraS1 left the room (signed off). BeyzaY: I send u verytight virtual hugs DennisOl: Güle-güle! VanceS: oh darn, i missed saying by to barbara DennisOl: And virtual hugs! BeyzaY: allaismarladik DennisOl: Teşekkür ederim! BeyzaY left the room (signed off). billc: See you everyone, guess i'm going to take off too. VanceS: I'm stuck into midsemester marking billc left the room (signed off). DennisOl: Happy marking, Vance! DennisOl: Take care. VanceS: when I see you next week I'll have got my grades in and given two papers in Hanoi DennisOl: Wow! VanceS: I think I'll be on my third beer or so DennisOl: Hanoi: I'd love to go there. VanceS: it would be six pm in hanoi I think DennisOl: Well, have another two for me, then! VanceS: webheads DennisOl: I'll have to check with the World Clock. Offhand, I don't know. VanceS: just found BJ's private msg DennisOl: Yeah, it'll be 6:00 or 7:00 PM. BjB: you could probably submit your photos to earth shots, Vance DennisOl: Hear, hear! VanceS: well, we'll see DennisOl: BJ: 'Sorry I didn't greet you or send hugs. VanceS: that's very clear water VanceS: I've got to scoot VanceS: close windows DennisOl: I was multi-tasking (and only semi-successfully). VanceS: get back to work VanceS: go keep bobbi company DennisOl: Well, take good care--and give Bobbi a hug for me, OK? VanceS: exam marking must be done VanceS: ok, will do DennisOl: Oy! VanceS: cya guys BjB waves bye DennisOl: CYA DennisOl waves too DennisOl: BJ: I also need to leave. I have to prepare for something that starts in about two hours but have to make breakfast first. DennisOl: Take good care, hear? BjB nods. You too, Dennis VanceS left the room (signed off). 2007.10.28 07:33:33 Signoff